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June 6, 2024

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Venture capitalist Ann Lai is, by all measures, an absolute beast. From earning a PhD from Harvard at 25 to becoming Managing Director at her own firm–Skeleton Key, Ann has clearly achieved a great deal of success throughout her career. Ann is also notable for speaking up publicly about the misogyny she has faced in VC, despite it nearly forcing her out of the industry. I had the honor to chat with Ann about her career journey pre-VC, reflections on her identity, and also about her exciting new firm.

Journey to Venture Capital

Ann’s journey to Venture Capital is at least 50x cooler than mine. In fact, it’s one of the coolest there is. It all started when she read a biography of Marie Curie at the age of six. I asked Ann to explain what drew her to Marie Curie so much that it set her on a trajectory she is still on today:

The recognition of women in science has historically been insufficient, and I have consistently been attracted to narratives that feature an underdog. Marie Curie’s achievement as the first woman to win a Nobel Prize, and then winning it a second time, was profoundly significant to me as a young person. From a very young age, I had an affinity for science and engineering. My mother, a teacher of literature, encouraged me to read or listen to autobiographies of diverse individuals. My early fascination with NASA was spurred during the time my father worked there. Marie Curie significantly altered the landscape and methods of many scientific endeavors.

Marie Curie’s story inspired Ann to study science. By age 25, she had earned three STEM degrees from Harvard including a PhD in microfluidics. While studying, Ann was starting to notice things that would push her away from being a scientist towards investing:

I noticed that many significant scientific advancements were transitioning to privatization. There was a golden era of science in the United States during the 1970s, characterized by substantial government funding and innovative labs such as Xerox and Bell Labs, but it is now over. I hypothesized that the most groundbreaking scientific discoveries would increasingly be funded privately. The sectors that remained vibrant, like CRISPR and space exploration, were those receiving substantial private investment. And although I was satisfied in the laboratory, my broader interests and extroverted personality drew me toward the funding side of science.

However, that was not quite what the universe had in mind for Ann. Ann graduated right around the 2008 financial crisis, which had pretty much killed off all appetite for investments in science. Thus, she instead started her career at a firm pioneering big data analysis:

I joined a company on Wall Street that pioneered what is now commonly referred to as “alt data”. We acquired, scraped, and sourced new and proprietary datasets, transforming them into predictive models for public company earnings. This was a rigorous introduction to the underlying forces that influence corporate dynamics; we had to understand the key performance indicators driving stock market values. (It was like going through a condensed MBA program.) By modeling quarterly earnings, where data points were scarce, I applied methodologies from my graduate research, collapsing extensive data sets by normalizing or parameterizing the variables, allowing for a comprehensive, dynamic model. This approach was highly effective, blending scientific and business analytics.

After her stint working in finance, Ann went on to lead business intelligence for international territories at Riot Games and then worked in a few early-stage startups in preparation for a transition into Venture. One thing she said especially caught my attention:

There was noticeable skepticism towards PhDs and academics in venture capital. Despite my extensive scientific background, I was told to strategically minimize the emphasis on my PhD on my resume. It’s evident in the venture space that there is a prevailing belief that academics lack practical business acumen.

When asked whether this skepticism extended to PhD founders, Ann elaborated:

This skepticism is indeed still prevalent. However, many PhDs are exceptionally practical. For companies involved in iterative development, such as SaaS companies, the requirements are different. In these fields, the emphasis is more on user interaction and less on deep scientific knowledge. But, for science-driven enterprises, a thorough understanding of the fundamental sciences is crucial.

Hopefully, this gives some hope to the PhDs out there who are looking to start a company! In fact, VC has been trending more towards deep tech evidenced by an increased share of investments into the space.

Advice for Women in Venture

One aspect Ann has been noted for is her outspokenness on the misogyny she has faced in the Venture ecosystem. For more specifics about her experiences, you can check out this Elle article written about her. Given her experiences, I asked her what advice she would give to women who want to go into the VC or startup space, but are concerned about the misogyny and fraternity culture that is still rampant.

Establishing a close network of mentors and peers for support is essential. This has been invaluable to me. Unfortunately, the prevailing culture remains challenging, and the progress we’ve made has perhaps deteriorated in the past year due to decreased venture capital availability on the LP side. There’s still a lot of work to do. The solidarity of women supporting one another is crucial for fostering progress. Maintaining a commitment to support each other is critical. Although most days it may not seem particularly difficult, there are specific moments where you can just feel a very big demographic difference in terms of who’s empowered. Partners are partners, but managing partners are different categories of partners. Until more women are managing partners or running their own sizable firms as partners, there’s still not enough leverage in the space.

Being Asian

I asked Ann to reflect on how her identity as an Asian woman has affected her lived experience:

My mother is incredibly liberal for her generation of Taiwanese. She has always been supportive, telling me I don’t need to get married early or worry about having kids, which is rare for Asian moms of her generation. At the same time, my parents weren’t financially very well off when we came back to the States. I contributed to my family’s income from the age of 12. There was no safety net. If I didn’t make it, nobody could pay the bills. It taught me resilience and gave me a “no way back” approach to life.

My dad raised me with a strong sense of right and wrong (We watched a lot of Asian martial arts dramas and stories.) It’s not really about being visible–it’s about doing the right thing. This Asian heroism as defined by martial arts movies approach is quite different from American heroism, and it’s the reason why I stood up for myself even when it might have prevented me from working again.

Being an Asian woman in the US is difficult. I often get the assumption that I’m a lot younger, for example. So, you always have to go into a meeting fighting that. That’s something my cohort and I have talked about a lot, like, you learn how to dress and style yourself to appear older sometimes so that you will be taken more seriously.

For meetings in East Asia, I was coached to open meetings by stating my qualifications, the PhD from Harvard, etc.This way, they respect the degree and then they respect you. Male executives and men who attend meetings weren’t prepped in this way. But I’m starting to see more evolution, especially with the younger, successful Asian male founders and groups. They’re very supportive, which is great. The older generations still tend to have a more patriarchal mindset, but it’s getting better, especially in the US.

Anecdotally, children of first-generation immigrants often pursue more stable, high-paying careers (doctor, lawyer, etc.), yet Ann has clearly bucked this trend. I asked her why she thought she ended up doing so:

My parents have been very modern in their thinking. They’ve never said I had to do things in a certain way. They’ve always supported my decisions. It made me feel like I could do anything. I’ve never worried that I might not succeed. If you are fearless, you end up doing aggressive things, aggressive in a good way.

Having grown up in both the US and Taiwan, I think Western and Eastern education are quite different. The American system encourages exploration and aspirations, whereas there’s a lot more regimen in the Eastern education system. The way I was raised was very much a marriage of those two aspects in an unexpected way. I have a lot of friends who were told to be a doctor or a lawyer, but if you think you can do better at other things, why do you have to do that?

Skeleton Key

A Skeleton Key is a type of master key in which the serrated edge has been removed in such a way that it can open numerous locks. It is also the name of Ann’s new firm. While researching for this interview, I came across this article by Ann, where she lays out the argument for why Deep Tech is venture-backable. Towards the end of the article, she shifts the focus to ScienceTech (SciTech), which she defines as: the software, platforms, or tech-enabled services that accelerate scientific discovery or assist in bringing science to life. I asked Ann why she chose Skeleton Key’s focus to be on SciTech instead of Deep Tech:

Deep tech is definitely fundable, as I’ve talked about. But now with AI, I’m thinking about how to make deep tech happen faster. Instead of investing in a drug, I’m looking at the platforms helping people discover drugs faster. Those layers are interesting to me, and I think those are the layers where a lot of the accelerated computing power can come into fruition in an interesting way. The accelerated computing power means you can map out a lot of things that have historically been very difficult such as fatigued glass behavior or certain thermal dynamics, nonlinear dynamics, and anything that’s related to nonlinear systems. 

There’s even a lot of interesting stuff happening around the application layer of science. For instance, bringing chemicals to real-life applications usually takes a long time. You find a chemical and wonder where to use it and what it can be used for. Then, usually, you need a different type of manufacturing protocol or a different variation for each use case. But now,  you can find a lot of those variants much faster. The formulation or the tuning of that molecule, protein, etc. can be assisted on by AI and you accelerate that process of bringing it to a real-life application much faster.

As you may have gathered from her background, one of Ann’s specialties is data analysis. In her previous VC roles, Ann leveraged her background to evaluate companies based on their data in an apples-to-apples way. You can hear more about her approach in this podcast. Given that Skeleton Key is working with a type of company that isn’t what the typical VC invests in, I was curious to know if she had to adapt her process:

It’s definitely different for Skeleton Key. We deal with a lot more data around R&D and early applications because we’re focusing on a second or third institutional round for these folks–so it’s a post- R&D but before they actually hit ramping revenue. That means you still have time to work with them on exploring the business–is it a software platform approach, or is it a single molecule approach, or a single robot approach? 

I asked Ann what revenue the companies typically are at in their second or third institutional round:

I think the specific revenue number doesn’t really matter. It’s the mechanics of what the early performance looks like. If they have a couple of contracts which are scalable over time and show real adoption and real usage–that’s a lot more important than one marquee SaaS contract that you can get through relationships. It’s more around the usage, the actual day-to-day functionality or day-to-day use. 

Earlier in our chat, Ann touched on how Skeleton Key plans to help startups explore different business angles, I asked Ann to elaborate on this process:

Our approach is very collaborative. My philosophy has always been to provide as much help as the founder wants. The goal post-investing is to help them with monetization, go-to-market strategies, and thinking about how to scale from a scientific lab mindset into building a company. We also assist them in fundraising. There are a lot of resources post-investment, and whether a founder will leverage them is their choice, but we prefer that they are open to us being more involved. In this category, where there are no established revenue models and many founders are coming from academic backgrounds, this advisory capacity is helpful to give them the full lay of the land, let them explore, and let them test different monetization hypotheses quickly.  Inflexibility or lack of adaptability can be a problem down the line, especially in these categories that require a lot of money for ramping up and the revenue models aren’t so obvious. In fact, we’re planning on helping founders in this way before even investing, as part of our process.

I mentioned to Ann that this kind of help seems very valuable, especially since the only resources available online tend to be very reductive:

My biggest pet peeve is when VCs prescribe a framework without actually understanding the problem. When we help companies, we don’t do that. We workshop their unique situation and how to price best for their product, without capping future revenue. For example, a lot of people like to suggest ARR subscription SaaS, but that model doesn’t work for everyone. There’s a lot of possibilities around pricing and revenue that isn’t just about “getting ARR.” I think those are the interesting exercises to think through when you’re in these new categories.

Shoutouts

Ann is amazing  and I am super excited for the launch of Skeleton Key. If you’d like to hear more from Ann, you can sign up for her Science Fair newsletter here, where she writes about science and venture. Thank you Ann for the great interview!

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Lack of business experience made learning tough at first. There was no demand for their eco-friendly goods, and other corporations repeatedly turned them down. Angela admitted,  “This was one of the darkest moments in our entrepreneurship journey”.  

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They’ve also donated a portion of their revenues to Polar Bears International in Canada to help protect the polar bear population.

Cloversoft’s first year of business saw strong sales and rising client bases in Asia Pacific countries. The firm aims to become the largest FMCG company headquartered in Singapore, with branches throughout the world, by delivering safe, environmentally friendly, and fairly priced plant-based products.

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Teen Brothers Build Non-Profit To Empower Underprivileged Kids Through Educational And Enrichment Programs

Founded in 2016, Ethan and Dylan sell what first started as Ethan’s Legenade at Summer Concerts, Sports Tournaments, Taste of Elk Grove, and various fundraisers. The brothers also get invited to private events to be speakers so they can share their moving stories.  

They speak to youth groups to inspire young kids and were invited on TV in local morning shows Good Day Sacramento, and Fox40 News. On top of that, they manage to keep up with the Honors Program in school, and extracurricular activities. 

Good Day Sacramento, a local morning show, in July 2019

There are currently 6 locations Legenade Children’s Fund sends to in the Philippines – Marikina, Cebu, Cotabato, Antique, Anao and Mexico in Pampanga. With the help of the catholic convent, Daughters of Divine Zeal, where Dylan and Ethan’s great aunt is a nun there.

They also have volunteers and coordinators the brothers meet through family and friends who still live in the Philippines. For them, it’s very important to have proper connections there to keep these programs going. The program sends help twice per year before the school season starts and during the Christmas season.

Back to School Program in Antique, Philippines 2021

Ethan and Dylan shared with Asian Hustle Network their journey as early founders, advice to their peers and future generations, and their hopes to find a mentor to help them grow toward their goals.

13-year-old Ethan runs with their school Cross Country and Track Team, while 16-year-old Dylan is in the Cyber Patriots, a cybersecurity club in school where they compete with other schools nationwide. 

Since their launch, the brothers have been in at least 5-7 big events every year — with Elk Grove Giant Pumpkin Festival as the biggest, which attracts more than 60,000 people every year.

The Young and Simple Legendaries

Ethan: Hi, my name is Ethan Black. I’m the CEO of Legenade Children’s Fund. I’m 13 years old, going into 8th grade. I like running, like Cross Country and Track. I like to hang out with friends, and also be on the computer playing games. 

Dylan: My name is Dylan Black (16 years old) and I’m a junior at Franklin High School. My interests lie in finance, business, and engineering. 

Dylan (right) and Ethan (right) With Elk Grove City Councilmember, Stephanie Nguyen
Dylan and Ethan at Taste of Elk Grove in 2017

How It All Started

Ethan:  Legenade started with a business called Ethan’s Legenade that I started when I was about 7 years old. It means “Legendary Lemonade”. I met another local nonprofit through my mom, and I decided I wanted to help them so I made Ethan’s Legenade and sold lemonade. I gave 50% of the profit that came from Ethan’s Legenade to the local nonprofit. After doing that for about 3-4 years, my grandma helped us turn it into a nonprofit which is known today as Legenade Children’s Fund. 

Dylan: My brother wanted to help a charity owned by a friend of ours. To help that charity, he decided to open a lemonade stand and donate 50% of the profits. We attended small events and sold lemonade there, and that’s how we made our initial profits and we expanded from there into other sorts of events. 

Ethan’s very first event – Summer Concert in Elk Grove May 2016
Chicks in Crisis is the charity that Ethan wanted to help in the beginning. So he sold lemonade and donated half his earnings to them. He still supports them to this day.

Legenade’s Big Vision, Mission, and Goal

Ethan: Our motto is “Helping Kids Become Legendary”, which basically means helping them so they can be the best they can be. We mainly focus on children’s education through 5 different programs. Our goal is to help kids and communities all around the world. 

5 Legenade’s Programs are: Back to School Program, Future Legends Scholarship, Color the World Project, STEAM Programs, and Community Outreach

Dylan: I would like our nonprofit to have a well-established local and international presence to help kids with the education of all forms. That’s my goal, that’s my vision, that’s my mission. 

Achievements and Learnings

Ethan:  A few years back in 2019, we got Rookie Business of the Year from the Elk Grove Chamber of Commerce for being the best new business. I guess another achievement is actually turning into a nonprofit, coming from Ethan’s Legenade to becoming an official nonprofit. I’ve learned more about how to run a business. I was probably naive about how to run one when I was first starting out when I was 7. I’m more careful about making decisions. I’ve learned how kids live in other countries. 

Receiving the “Rookie Business of the Year 2019” award presented by the Elk Grove Chamber of Commerce. Dylan and Ethan are the youngest entrepreneurs in their city.

Whenever I heard stories about the Philippines, it was always worse than the life that we have here, so we shouldn’t take stuff for granted. You’d think that stories like that are exaggerated, but from the photos I’ve seen, it’s not. Their conditions are not ideal. So for example, we ship out toy cars, the ones you pull back to wind up and let go. Then we realized that they can’t play with them because they don’t even have concrete. Their houses are built on dirt. We learned to pay more attention to their living conditions and what they need so we can send them the proper help. 

Dylan: Our biggest achievement would probably be becoming an official nonprofit because it allows us to coordinate and organize resources to give to our donation recipients. Another one of our biggest achievements is the number of people we have helped. We’ve helped several thousands of people in some way, shape, or form. I’ve learned that I really like business and finance, and most likely do that in the future as a career. I’ve also learned that people can accomplish a lot and all they need is a little push from an outside force, maybe in the form of a donation. 

Legenade’s Current Project 

Ethan: Right now, school is about to start so we’re focused on the Back to School Program. We provide backpacks and school supplies to about 1000 students in multiple locations in the Philippines. We have Future Legends Scholarship where we sponsor gifted students and pay for their tuition fees so they can stay in school. A lot of them leave school so they can work to help their families. We help them finish high school at least. Closer to the holidays, we do community outreach locally here in Elk Grove, and Christmas Programs in the Philippines, and send toys and food to the kids and their families. 

Community Outreach Food Program – Anao and Mexico, Pampanga, Philippines.

Dylan: My current project is expanding our sphere of influence to reach more people with advertising and campaigns. Also to get our Legenade bottled at a bottling facility in high numbers so we can get them in vending machines and stores. Relying on donations from people means that the people we are helping are at the mercy of your kindness. When you sell a product, we can more reliably help people. We are grateful to our donors, but it’s better to be self-sufficient so our programs can be consistently well funded. 

The Founders’ Hope For Legenade 10 Years From Now

Ethan: I’d like to see Legenade 10 years from now being one of the biggest nonprofits in America, maybe in the Top 10 charities. We also want to help in more places internationally and nationally so instead of just here in Elk Grove, CA, maybe we can find people to help in all 50 states. Also internationally, instead of just in the Philippines, we can help somewhere else in Asia, Africa, or Southern America. We also want to visit our programs in the Philippines and meet the kids we’re helping. We can’t afford that right now so they just send us pictures and videos.  

Dylan: I hope that in 10 years, Legenade will have helped many people go to school and get credentials from high school, and even college. Also, be able to help more areas and not just have focused efforts in a couple of cities, but in many places. Education is important because it helps you make good decisions and helps you help other people and it lifts everybody up. I can’t help people if I don’t have an education. 

Advice To Young Generation

Ethan: I don’t want to sound generic. Do not wait, or like, don’t procrastinate. If you have an idea and you know it’s good, then go for it. Even if it turns out to be bad, then you can classify that as a learning experience. 

Dylan: Your plans don’t have to be big and grandiose. You can start off small and can go from there. Don’t overwhelm yourself by trying to reach huge goals, just spread it up into several smaller goals. And don’t let anything stress you out. Avoid things that stress you out. 

Raising money during the pandemic. May 2021

Seeking Entrepreneurs and Mentorship

Dylan:  Our goal is to get Legenade bottled. I’m hoping to reach out to other entrepreneurs who have gone through the process, and are willing to share what they’ve learned with us.

Ethan: We’re trying to get into mass producing our Legenade, but we have very little experience in doing so. We’re trying to collect as many contacts who can help us make it happen. Of course, we always need donations to keep our programs going. Please consider sharing your blessings. Any amount will help a lot.

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The Rise of Young CEO Mehak Vohra: From College Dropout to Successful Marketing Mentor

After dropping out of school, Mehak Vohra spent the next two years working her way up the corporate ladder before establishing SkillBank, where she can now assist people land jobs at marketing agencies across the United States. 

Vohra was an experienced ghostwriter and copywriter from an agency, which inspired her to establish her marketing.

When the 21-year-old growth hacker attempted to launch Skilbank, it was initially conceived as a growth marketing training program geared toward newly established technology businesses. She first started the organization during the pandemic in 2019 and aspired to train a workforce that could soon fill entry-level positions in marketing. 

She has also established relationships with her business partners, who are her primary motivation in maintaining a healthy balance within the company and developing productive plans. 

Even though the pandemic has made people jobless, Vohra had the chance to build up the organization to help service workers upskill and gain employment. Skillbank was able to raise $1.5 million thanks to the support of investors like Jason Calacanis, Hawke Media Ventures, Soma Capital, Hustle Fund Champion Hill Labs, Transcend Network, John Kobs, Nelson Wang, Saunder Schroeder, Zack Bloom, and TikTok’s own Josh Richards and Griffin Johnson.

Investors have teamed up with Skillbank partly because they want to contribute to the funding of technologically savvy marketers. They believed that despite marketers’ best efforts, they are not educated in the field and often lack a solid foundation. They also liked that SkillBank was making their training easily accessible and thought the standard education model could use some improvements. “Mehak is a rockstar, and we believe she is the person to get this to success,” said Erik Huberman, CEO of Hawke Media, in praise of Vohra’s decision to Skillbank.

Skillbank just closed a funding round that helped numerous marketers make a career change and, as a result, increase their remuneration. Vohra also has designs for growing SkillBank’s business. At this time, a subscription to SkillBank’s courses starts at $4999, or $7199 if paid in installments. The SkillBank team may be small at the moment, but they have big plans to take on industry leaders like Masterclass and General Assembly.

Nothing can prevent anyone from becoming successful; even a student who quit school and later decided she wanted to devote her life to assisting others in achieving their goals can turn her dreams into a reality.